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Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 482	Posted - 2014.05.10 15:31:00 - [1] - Quote Meiyang Lee wrote: You can check CCPs financial report, the number should be in there if I recall correctly. No, it doesn't, but it does give you an over all income from games and I believe it breaks it down by game. Logically if that number for Eve decreases, subscriptions/plex sales would be down.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 482	Posted - 2014.05.10 15:47:00 - [2] - Quote Darth Kilth wrote: The ammount of people voting in the elections in the real world goes up and down as well, doesn't mean a ton of people suddenly died or left the country if the numbers dropped. As they point out, it's not 'just' that the votes decreased. In and of itself that's interesting, but not alarming. Taken as part of the bigger picture though (concurrency, layoffs, game cancellations, lots of announcements of staff jumping ship to other companies) it's somewhat more concerning. CCP did not cancel WoD, as an example, despite the very small actual profit they made in last years financials.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 482	Posted - 2014.05.10 15:55:00 - [3] - Quote Andski wrote: are sub numbers down? we want to blame the usual scapegoats if they are That has yet to be conclusively shown, but frankly, it's starting to look that way. As far as scapegoating, we should keep that separate. I suggest a 'GRR Goons' and 'Grrr Carebears' in separate threads to make the mods lives easier.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 482	Posted - 2014.05.10 16:12:00 - [4] - Quote Andski wrote: "it's starting to look that way" what Well, take into account that the average age of the voting account increased at CSM, average concurrency is at it's lowest point since Incarna, the sudden interest in reducing costs that previously CCP seemed fine with, and CCP changed it's usual procedure where it published the number of votes for CSM vs the number of accounts eligible to vote. This suggests, but does not prove, that numbers are down. Again, we'll have to wait for June's six month financials to prove it one way or the other, but, as the eight ball would say 'all signs point to yes'.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 482	Posted - 2014.05.10 16:29:00 - [5] - Quote Higgs Foton wrote: Coming to that, the steady rising of prices of plex might have an influence as well. If prices stay like they are now or even rise i am going to unsub one of my accounts next month. I am pretty sure a lot of people are doing that as well, leading to dwindling subscription numbers. I hadn't considered that angle, but you're right, that would play into it as well.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 482	Posted - 2014.05.10 16:46:00 - [6] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: The Chinese server Serenity on the other hand has seen PCU counts trending steadily upwards since the beginning of the year, and their subs definitely count. Actually, Doc, if you check CCPs financials, they don't. Remember that Serenity is operated by TianCity, not CCP. That's why it's tracked separately. CCP does get income from it, but it's basically a licensing fee.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 482	Posted - 2014.05.10 16:59:00 - [7] - Quote Rainbow Dash wrote: Obama doesnt have much to do with it, it's just numbers, and numbers dont lie. The economy has posted consistant growth (and significant growth at that) over the last 5 years. Unless you're suggesting that Obama secretly controls the stock market, then you really cant argue with facts. If you want to argue with facts, I just noticed something interesting reading through CCPs 12 month from last December. You know they only made 4m in profit for the year, but liquidated 24m in assets? (I had other things on my mind in December of last year, so this is news to me)
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 482	Posted - 2014.05.10 17:28:00 - [8] - Quote Rainbow Dash wrote: I skimmed their 2012 financials and didn't see a 24m liquidation. Any chance you can be more specific? (A page number or section). Look at the 2013 ones. http://www.ccpgames.com/media/47894/ccp_hf_financial_statements_december_31_2013.pdf?_ga=1.232594079.1230018860.1385400286 Page 6, check current total assets vs total assets in 2012. Went from 128m to 104m. Further along it estimates they took a $6k loss on asset disposal.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 482	Posted - 2014.05.10 18:08:00 - [9] - Quote Rainbow Dash wrote: Oh yeah, sorry. I read last december as 2012, (like this december being 2013 december and last being 2012). Anyway, ignoring my stupidity, that was the writeoff of World of Darkness. They valued their current game assets and such as worth 24m and just scrapped it, resulting in the 24m loss. Np, that doesn't make sense, as they didn't cancel WoD until April of this year so that would be on the 1st half of 2014 financials.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 482	Posted - 2014.05.10 18:26:00 - [10] - Quote Reiisha wrote: They did, financially. It was the write-off for 2013, not 2014. No, we'd have seen a much larger loss for liquidating it if that was the case (since taking a loss on Liquidations is also reported). I doubt that CCP only valued WoD at 6k dollars. Further, if you go down, it breaks down some of the disposals by category. 1.4m in computer equipment, for example.

Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 482	Posted - 2014.05.10 18:33:00 - [11] - Quote Mike Azariah wrote: Eve has many more players than any sub number would have you believe. This may be true, but what it doesn't do is help CCPs bottom line, which (in theory) is their motive for producing new content and operating the game.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 482	Posted - 2014.05.10 18:51:00 - [12] - Quote Gutripper, we don't, yet, have solid facts. While I broadly agree with what you're saying, let's wait till we have hard numbers before we start setting up the 'Dinsdale was Right' t-shirt stand.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 486	Posted - 2014.05.10 23:12:00 - [13] - Quote LHA Tarawa wrote: I do not see subscriptions spelled out in the financials, http://www.ccpgames.com/media/47894/ccp_hf_financial_statements_december_31_2013.pdf?_ga=1.124024842.1230018860.1385400286 Page 17. 'Revenue from Subscriptions and In Game Sales' (presumably including plex and Aurum) Which came to 70m or so for 2013. Up from the previous year, by 8m but more than half of it was in the first six months, suggesting that subs dropped off a bit in the second half. Royalties increased over the previous year (probably that increase in subs on Serenity)
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 486	Posted - 2014.05.10 23:15:00 - [14] - Quote Malcanis wrote: I don't think its "hi-sec" subs that are at risk. Bluntly we don't have good information on who's what where. We're speculating.until the 2014 6 month comes out in June, based on limited info.
Cygnet Lythanea World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction 486	Posted - 2014.05.10 23:17:00 - [15] - Quote General Nusense wrote: I dont care about the sub numbers, many others feel the same way. Please reword your post. Thanks CCP keep up the good work. They should. Lower subs mean less money for developing new stuff for everyone.

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